Need bigger rudder

Post by **Denis** » Sun Aug 12, 2007 8:14 pm

I think that after the boat comes out this fall, I am going to bolt a sheet of plywood to the rudder. By doing that I am confident that the boat will finally steer, what a novel idea!

I would like to know one thing, how do you go to engineering school, design a very good hull, bolt on all the stuff to make a great boat but miss the boat, so to speak, on something so important as a rudder?

Double Lucky · Post by **Double Lucky** » Mon Aug 13, 2007 6:09 am

Denis, sounds like there is a sea tale behind this post? russ

Post by **Butch** » Mon Aug 13, 2007 7:49 am

LOL...there is a story somewhere

Post by **Elizabeth Ann** » Mon Aug 13, 2007 8:06 am

Hey Denis,

There is a thread here somewhere that addresses your problem, and to the contrary of what you may think. It seems that the stock rudder on some models is too big! And that is the cause for the reduced capabilities in steering. At least that's what I get out of the thread. On our 2001 I often think I have reduced capabilities at the rudder when the screw is really turning (i.e. high rpm). Specifically, I think I have a hard time applying starboard rudder and often have to ease her port to get her to go more starboard.

Not sure if this makes sense. I'll see if I can find the thread.

Post by **Elizabeth Ann** » Mon Aug 13, 2007 8:07 am

Double Post - Sorry!

Post by **Elizabeth Ann** » Mon Aug 13, 2007 8:08 am

here it is!

http://albinowners.net/aog/viewtopic.ph ... ght=rudder

Post by **Mariner** » Mon Aug 13, 2007 12:07 pm

I would be curious to take a 28' for a ride some time. My understanding is that the hull, keel, and rudder on that boat are just a scaled down version of ours, which actually handles quite nicely.

Is it possible that, with the principal demographic of owners being people who converted over from I/O's and outboards, perhaps some people just aren't accustomed to how a full keel, diesel inboard boat handles?

Post by **Russell** » Mon Aug 13, 2007 1:08 pm

The Albin 28 tracks very well compared to many power boats. If you come from years of sailing as I have you are used to boats that track like they are on rails. When I got my first inboard power boat it was quite a shock to handle around the marina. As soon as it was in gear it started to go 5 knots, way too fast and near the maximum speed of a sailboat. Take it out of gear to slow down and the boat did not steer at all. It would start to turn sideways to the direction it was headed. If you take an Albin out of gear it at least continues in the same direction and even steers a little. You have to anticipate what is going to happen and take advantage of the prop walk. This only comes with experience.

Post by **Elizabeth Ann** » Mon Aug 13, 2007 1:28 pm

Mariner wrote:I would be curious to take a 28' for a ride some time. My understanding is that the hull, keel, and rudder on that boat are just a scaled down version of ours, which actually handles quite nicely.

Is it possible that, with the principal demographic of owners being people who converted over from I/O's and outboards, perhaps some people just aren't accustomed to how a full keel, diesel inboard boat handles?

good point, but if there was an actual change made by albin then i would think it a design flaw.

Invest01 · Post by **Invest01** » Mon Aug 13, 2007 2:11 pm

I just sold a 45ft downeast, single screw, full keel boat w/bowthruster newer 2001 model custom and she turned better than the 2005 28TE I just bought. I found that strange.

Post by **chiefrcd** » Tue Aug 14, 2007 4:16 pm

I ran a UTB 41 Coast Guard boat with twin engines that weighed in at 26,000 lbs. at 26 knots it would turn circles around my 28TE. At any speed over 12 knots my 28 will hardly turn to starboard. Yes, I have hydraulic steering, yes the bottom is clean. It tracks nicely, runs great, stable as can be....just turns like a pig.

Post by **Mariner** » Tue Aug 14, 2007 4:55 pm

Interesting. I'll have to go back and look at the pictures I took of the hull of the 28' they had at the Seattle Boat Show last year.

Post by **chiefrcd** » Wed Aug 15, 2007 6:50 pm

and a 28 is far from a full keel boat. Small skegg is more like it.

Post by **mhanna** » Wed Aug 15, 2007 7:03 pm

Sorry to hear that some are having issues with steering. I am very happy with forward steering, it starts to turn as long as the boat is in gear. Dont get me wrong, without the bow thruster I would have to make a 2 point turn to get into my marina. But at all speeds above idle it works well, even at high speeds it turns both ways with little wheel effort.
Reverse is a different issue, no sense even steering. I would have to say without the thruster I would not want the boat.
Here is a picture of my 2001
[img][img]http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u40/ ... rudder.jpg[/img][/img]

Hope this helps

Matt

Post by **Denis** » Thu Aug 16, 2007 10:07 pm

Sorry for the delay in my response, but I was visiting on the outer banks for a few days.
Yes there is a story behind my post. I have been boating for 18 years and I take pride in having my boat in control at all times. I know my 28 does not turn very well to port, at any speed, but it is especially bad when I need to make a tight turn to get lined up to back into my slip. Add a 15 knot breeze pushing my bow to starboard and I am screwed. Throttle, steering, bow thruster, nothing would help my situation and it basically pushed me sideways up against the pilings. Luckly, it was a very soft landing and I was able to pivot around to back in. A few days before my situation, I was on a friends 30' down east boat, I don't know the make, and he could put the nose of that boat anywhere he wanted. I know I still have a lot to learn about a single screw but a boat should respond when the wheel is turned. Sorry for the rant.

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