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Pretty Quiet in here
- Fortunate
- Gold Member
- Posts: 86
- Joined: Fri Nov 30, 2007 3:57 pm
- Home Port: Robinhood Marina, Georgetown, ME
- Location: Georgetown, Maine
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Re: Pretty Quiet in here
John,
You should go the site below for information on your LD28. John Bain has (or had) a 27SC that he put up for sale last January. He has a great site that we should probably pillage and bring the info over here since he was going to sell. Check it out and if you have problems let me know. Maybe I will start putting some of his stuff on this site before he decides to delete it all.
yes, we are very close to Phippsburg and Ft Popham, about 1/2 mile by water, 30+ miles by land. My father has a house on the beach at the mouth of the Kennbec river that we frequent often on our boat. There is always a spare mooring there or by our house if you ever have interest. Good luck.
http://albincruisers.blogspot.com/
You should go the site below for information on your LD28. John Bain has (or had) a 27SC that he put up for sale last January. He has a great site that we should probably pillage and bring the info over here since he was going to sell. Check it out and if you have problems let me know. Maybe I will start putting some of his stuff on this site before he decides to delete it all.
yes, we are very close to Phippsburg and Ft Popham, about 1/2 mile by water, 30+ miles by land. My father has a house on the beach at the mouth of the Kennbec river that we frequent often on our boat. There is always a spare mooring there or by our house if you ever have interest. Good luck.
http://albincruisers.blogspot.com/
Kim Suhr
"Fortunate"
27 Family Cruiser
Robinhood Cove, Georgetown, ME
"Fortunate"
27 Family Cruiser
Robinhood Cove, Georgetown, ME
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Re: Pretty Quiet in here
I am not allowed in the Bilge?? I ordered a Burgee the other day, will that eventually get me in?? I was just talking to a guy about off road diesel and trying to devise a plan to fuel our boats. Maybe that is the answer. Probably still a little mark up.
Fortunate- Thanks for the offer- we will have to take a ride up that way!!!
Fortunate- Thanks for the offer- we will have to take a ride up that way!!!
- Fortunate
- Gold Member
- Posts: 86
- Joined: Fri Nov 30, 2007 3:57 pm
- Home Port: Robinhood Marina, Georgetown, ME
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Re: Pretty Quiet in here
I am a partner in a heavy/highway construction company with many skid tanks mounted in pickups. I always fill one up with off road fuel (we have a 10,000 gallon tank for the off road equipment) and fill the Albin. It saves quite a bit with fuel on the water being at least $1 more than on land and I do not have to pay the road tax.
Kim Suhr
"Fortunate"
27 Family Cruiser
Robinhood Cove, Georgetown, ME
"Fortunate"
27 Family Cruiser
Robinhood Cove, Georgetown, ME
- jcollins
- In Memorium
- Posts: 4927
- Joined: Sun Apr 16, 2006 9:05 pm
- Home Port: Baltimore
- Location: Seneca Creek Marina
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- jcollins
- In Memorium
- Posts: 4927
- Joined: Sun Apr 16, 2006 9:05 pm
- Home Port: Baltimore
- Location: Seneca Creek Marina
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Re: Pretty Quiet in here
If you find yourself near Baltimore, send me a note. We'll get a couple of members together for a winter rendezvous. (in a bar or restaurant)stardust-v42 wrote:Dave
Sounds like your 1988 and my 1987 are similar---both with the Isuzu engine. I notice that you are located in Blind Bay, Nova Scotia. We are in Northern Michigan, but in early April we are visiting relatives in Maryland-Deleware-Pennsylvania and then in the last half of April we are heading to Nova Scotia to visit with the couple that purchased our sailboat in April of 2008. They are in Halifax. Where is Blind Bay relative to Halifax.
John McCahan
Boyne City, Mi
John
Former - 28 TE Convertible"Afterglow"
Former - 28 TE Convertible"Afterglow"
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Re: Pretty Quiet in here
Fortunate,
How do you get the fuel down to the water? I am thinking that if I were to bring it down to the town dock I might get some funny looks or even in trouble with the Harbormaster. I have access to a large tank from a construction company as well, but do not have my own personal dock to bring it to the boat. Any ideas??
Jeff
How do you get the fuel down to the water? I am thinking that if I were to bring it down to the town dock I might get some funny looks or even in trouble with the Harbormaster. I have access to a large tank from a construction company as well, but do not have my own personal dock to bring it to the boat. Any ideas??
Jeff
- Pitou
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- Joined: Thu Feb 22, 2007 1:34 pm
- Home Port: Gloucester, MA
- Location: Essex, MA
Re: Pretty Quiet in here
Mass. Law says you must fuel within 40ft. of the nozzle location of approved fuel docks. The covert operations usually begin after dark . My marina gave me permission to pump from a tank out of my truck but, I must be within the 40 ft. area. Fortunately I can pull this off at high tide and 50 ft. of hose. The only reason for this approval ... no diesel in Essex.Jeff Lavallee wrote:Fortunate,
How do you get the fuel down to the water? I am thinking that if I were to bring it down to the town dock I might get some funny looks or even in trouble with the Harbormaster. I have access to a large tank from a construction company as well, but do not have my own personal dock to bring it to the boat. Any ideas??
Jeff
kevinS
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Former Boats:
- 2006 31TE / Hull# 221
Cummins QSC 8.3 / 500 hp
December '13 - April '23
- 2002 / 28TE / Hull# 614
Cummins 6BTA 370 hp / Alaskan Bulkhead
April '04 ~ May '13
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Former Boats:
- 2006 31TE / Hull# 221
Cummins QSC 8.3 / 500 hp
December '13 - April '23
- 2002 / 28TE / Hull# 614
Cummins 6BTA 370 hp / Alaskan Bulkhead
April '04 ~ May '13
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- Location: Western Long Island Sound
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Re: Pretty Quiet in here
Glad I looked in here. I was planning on making the rendevous to Essex this year and figured I could fill up there for the return trip. I am sure someone will post up about where to fill in the future. Nice to see others jumping on the forum regularly.
"MAHALO"
31 Tournament Edition
Hull#223 oop's
Twin 315's
Baysideanglers.com
31 Tournament Edition
Hull#223 oop's
Twin 315's
Baysideanglers.com
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- Joined: Tue Jun 19, 2007 11:09 am
- Location: Blind Bay, Nova Scotia
Re: Pretty Quiet in here
John, Blind Bay is located 15 miles southwest of Halifax on the road to Peggys Cove. Rugged coastline but great boating, lots of islands and small bays to explore.
- Pitou
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- Joined: Thu Feb 22, 2007 1:34 pm
- Home Port: Gloucester, MA
- Location: Essex, MA
Re: Pretty Quiet in here
Essex, CT to Essex, MA about 175 miles .... a long run to fill up to return to NY . Plenty of Diesel in Essex, CT. Sorry for the confusion.zinbaad wrote:Glad I looked in here. I was planning on making the rendevous to Essex this year and figured I could fill up there for the return trip. I am sure someone will post up about where to fill in the future. Nice to see others jumping on the forum regularly.
kevinS
>><<>>;>
Former Boats:
- 2006 31TE / Hull# 221
Cummins QSC 8.3 / 500 hp
December '13 - April '23
- 2002 / 28TE / Hull# 614
Cummins 6BTA 370 hp / Alaskan Bulkhead
April '04 ~ May '13
>><<>>;>
Former Boats:
- 2006 31TE / Hull# 221
Cummins QSC 8.3 / 500 hp
December '13 - April '23
- 2002 / 28TE / Hull# 614
Cummins 6BTA 370 hp / Alaskan Bulkhead
April '04 ~ May '13
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- Home Port: Houston, Texas
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Re: Pretty Quiet in here
Hi All,
I have to agree that the Yahoo group takes a while to join and can be a bit quirky - but honestly anyone that would like a 6.7knt boat is a bit quirky anyway. Besides, you have to be over 65 to be able to buy a 25-26 now...
This site does tend to have a bit more of the newer Albins - we will try to change that.
My 86 ac has a 70hp Westerbeke. Just did a little spring cleaning
Boat came with a 18x15 prop - hull sped at 1800rpm, max out at 13knts at 3100rpm (max rpm 3800) at 13knts - friends, its just too fast for this boat - any chop or swell the hull hits - you can hear the "BOING" of fiberglass flexing - The boat prefers a more mellow situation.
Actually, we did manage to track down the designer Joe Puccia, nice quiet guy. He was totally unaware of some of the crazy exploits that some have done in theses boats. He designed (the 27) really to be a weekender nad not much else.
Regarding the interesting run aft amidship that enables the boat to "quasi"plane. Well, the hull warped in the mold, causing the aft run to concave slightly. Because of this, the boat tends to a more bow down attitude - he wishes it would be more bow up but there is no fix really.
Original design came from a 32' he designed. Just made it shorter and fatter. He built the first 20 boats in his shop - the layup was a bit more robust and the engine comp had watertight bulkheads fore and aft. So if you know what happened the boat would still sort of float - newer models - down you go - so, because of this I would expect that the first 20 27's would be worth a bit more in my book.
He also said that the 14knts that was listed in the brochure was done on a model with no deck...come to your own conclusions.
Now, about speed and props - old prop was 18x15 see above - new prop - 18x10 cruising now is 2200 at hull speed - BUT it would cruise at hull speed at the peak of torque efficiency and fuel burn. Now the 18x10 - hull speed is 2300-2500 - more fuel and more noise and lower on the torque curve now. You also hear that you should operate at 80% of max ho - so that would be 3000rpm - at that rpm I sound like a shrimp boat with the nets out - probably good for the engine... but you have to shout at the crew - also doing about 8.2 knts - causing a huge wave and drag-
So, why do you all want to go faster than hull speed? At 6.7 - 7knts - the water is absolutely smooth behind the boat - after 7.8 the wake and wave just get bigger - at 9-10 it is just a plow, at about 11 -12 it does get into the "quasi" attitude but it is a bear to control. At 12knts - lord knows (its not a plane) - remember these are not Shamrocks or Whalers - the hull is thin - if you hit something at that speed (less really) its going thru the hull!! So be careful!.
anyway - would love to hear from some of you... its is a fun boat - lots of looks - sort of like an old VW bus - Before I had the transom repainted - the hailing port was New Orleans - The cops would stop me every time I went out -
cheers
MKP
see engine graph:
I have to agree that the Yahoo group takes a while to join and can be a bit quirky - but honestly anyone that would like a 6.7knt boat is a bit quirky anyway. Besides, you have to be over 65 to be able to buy a 25-26 now...
This site does tend to have a bit more of the newer Albins - we will try to change that.
My 86 ac has a 70hp Westerbeke. Just did a little spring cleaning
Boat came with a 18x15 prop - hull sped at 1800rpm, max out at 13knts at 3100rpm (max rpm 3800) at 13knts - friends, its just too fast for this boat - any chop or swell the hull hits - you can hear the "BOING" of fiberglass flexing - The boat prefers a more mellow situation.
Actually, we did manage to track down the designer Joe Puccia, nice quiet guy. He was totally unaware of some of the crazy exploits that some have done in theses boats. He designed (the 27) really to be a weekender nad not much else.
Regarding the interesting run aft amidship that enables the boat to "quasi"plane. Well, the hull warped in the mold, causing the aft run to concave slightly. Because of this, the boat tends to a more bow down attitude - he wishes it would be more bow up but there is no fix really.
Original design came from a 32' he designed. Just made it shorter and fatter. He built the first 20 boats in his shop - the layup was a bit more robust and the engine comp had watertight bulkheads fore and aft. So if you know what happened the boat would still sort of float - newer models - down you go - so, because of this I would expect that the first 20 27's would be worth a bit more in my book.
He also said that the 14knts that was listed in the brochure was done on a model with no deck...come to your own conclusions.
Now, about speed and props - old prop was 18x15 see above - new prop - 18x10 cruising now is 2200 at hull speed - BUT it would cruise at hull speed at the peak of torque efficiency and fuel burn. Now the 18x10 - hull speed is 2300-2500 - more fuel and more noise and lower on the torque curve now. You also hear that you should operate at 80% of max ho - so that would be 3000rpm - at that rpm I sound like a shrimp boat with the nets out - probably good for the engine... but you have to shout at the crew - also doing about 8.2 knts - causing a huge wave and drag-
So, why do you all want to go faster than hull speed? At 6.7 - 7knts - the water is absolutely smooth behind the boat - after 7.8 the wake and wave just get bigger - at 9-10 it is just a plow, at about 11 -12 it does get into the "quasi" attitude but it is a bear to control. At 12knts - lord knows (its not a plane) - remember these are not Shamrocks or Whalers - the hull is thin - if you hit something at that speed (less really) its going thru the hull!! So be careful!.
anyway - would love to hear from some of you... its is a fun boat - lots of looks - sort of like an old VW bus - Before I had the transom repainted - the hailing port was New Orleans - The cops would stop me every time I went out -
cheers
MKP
see engine graph: